God’s Help to You

Ok, so I’m going to do a bit of a Q&A scenario between an Atheist (A) and a Theist (T).

The true story behind this Q&A is essentially that the Theist prayed for an Atheist to pass an exam. The Atheist passed with a good score. This Atheist also put in a lot of study time as well, yet feared that they might fail the course.

When the Atheist passed with the highest grade in the class, the Theist, basically stated: “See I believe in my Lord, I knew he would intervene, even though, I know you don’t believe, he never leaves those who believe in him, behind.”

Ok, so obviously this success was due to god’s intervention per the believer. Now granted that the Q&A below are one of many possible paths it can take, the main purpose of it, is the purpose of query, of rational thought, of finding the evidence for the statement above, so that it can be irrefutable if it were true, otherwise it isn’t a solid base or argument.

This is the post hoc ergo proper hoc fallacy.

A: Is what god does perfect?

T: Yes (we know that Theists believe that god’s actions and thoughts are perfection themselves)

A: So we know that a perfect score is 100% and what I received was a 92%, so either god can’t do something perfect or he had nothing to do with this.

T: Even though you received a 92%, that was done perfectly by god.

A: So this actually begs a few more questions. Firstly, human standard which is what god is trying to affect for the benefit of the receiver is 100% and god’s help can only help raise my score up to 92%, a lower standard than human standard.

Can he reach the human standard or just merely, or doesn’t feel like it, doesn’t want to, what does the evidence show? Why 92% & not the passing grade of 82% instead, if it is not going to be the perfect standard?

What if every time the theist prayed, the score would be 100%, would it not signify that there is some divine intervention? Because, by god! It’s happening every time!

Would theists take advantage of a situation like that & point to it as irrefutable proof of divine intervention?
Or would theists argue, God shouldn’t be so obvious & should instead allow people to arrive at faith by just believing? Hence an imperfect 92%.

There usually comes the occasion wherein the fault lies with the human, so the excuse added is: “you need to help yourself first before god helps you.” Well, nah no duh! It is established that the human is working towards their goal; there may be some who do want a free ride. But it would be an insult to the majority who do put an effort.

This just begs the question:

Where do we draw the line between what god does and what our effort is?

Then there is the god “escape clause”: so essentially if the test taker were to have failed this exam then, the fault would be due to her or his lack of faith or because it’s an endeavor that’s not “god’s plan” so it couldn’t go into fruition.

A farther yet related question is:

If everything that happens is god’s will , then why try anything? Afterall that would be god’s will too.

Discrepancies

So I ran across this blog by Rosa Rubicondior (atheist extraordinaire in my opinion):

http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/2011/09/have-you-found-jesus.html

It shows the discrepancies in the “Word of God”

In particular, of when he was born, where he was, and so on.

Here’s another one about women knowing their place according to Christianity.  This lets you know that it isn’t being practiced according to what the bible requires, in America.  So that means 95% plus of Christian women in America are apostates for not practicing this as recommended.  Christian men too for not putting women in their place. Here it is:

http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/2012/10/women-are-you-free-or-christian.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Rosarubicondior+%28RosaRubicondior%29

“God the abusive spouse – You made me angry.  Beg for forgiveness or I’ll get angry again…I don’t want to have to hurt you…” – Rosa Rubicondior

“If you get your answers from the bible then genuine questions probably aren’t really your thing.” – Adrian Briggs

Cosmology: (I will touch upon this later)

God outside Space and Time: (I will touch upon this later) A concept oft uttered by theists, that God is eternal, outside of time, not affected by space. This concept is an abstraction of the human mind, of extolling to the ultimate. 

First we have to ask how do we “know” that god is eternal? Through the scientific method we would measure and in the very least, if true, we would come up with a measurable even if limited number as in the case of the age of the universe. We don’t have this number through any scientific channels, as a matter of fact, the concept of theistic eternity is a recent concept. If we want to attribute more antiquity to this concept, we may in generosity state that it arose at the time of the writing of the Bible, of which, Genesis is a plagiarized and adapted version of earlier Creation myths. It may have a passed down through oral tradition, with the stories changed in the context of different cultures.

The oft uttered concept of outside of space and time. Is not one I’ve heard being mentioned by astrophysicists, theoretical physicists and such specialists. The boundaries that humans experience that humans know are within the space-time continuum. A very interesting understanding to say the least, provided and elucidated to us by these previously mentioned scientists. In essence, for there to be time there must be distance between point a and point b, even if at the measure of the molecular level. If we speak of distance we know it takes time to get there.

This concept/dogma basically denotes god immaterial existence

Science and Religion: (I will elaborate on this more, later)

Believers align their beliefs so it can match with scientific facts and not the other way around, i.e.: the anthropocentric universe, such as the universe revolving around the sun, cosmic “fine tuning”.

If god thinks, and he created humans and other beings, and gave humans thinking capacity as well as a soul.  This soul is purportedly able to think as well. Why did god create a body for this soul, why did he create a brain?

From what we know from neuroscience, neurology and related fields is that for there to be any thinking there must be a brain, there is no thinking without a properly developed brain or a brain developed to the degree that humans have.  Most animals, cannot reason, they act for the most part instinctively.  Therefore for the human animal, the development of the prefrontal cortex is what has led them to be able to think in an advanced manner.

But we see that god talks and thinks and finds out and gets jealous and gets angry and gets revenge and needs praise otherwise your soul goes to hell. These are all human characteristics which need a brain, neurons, synapses, neurotransmitters, biochemical interactions, all quite obviously imposed on a god concept.  God was essentially created in the image of humans.

I will add more as the days pass and I collect more.